Hacksaw did deliver some epic and memorable wins to me during April, and I still have some decent luck on their games this month. I'm noticing more and more details that aren't cool about them.
You know there must be a lot of things going wrong if even players hitting big wins on your games are still complaining.
Some details I've noticed:
- They're the first providers to implement 3x cost for 5x bonus frequency, as well as 5x cost for 10x bonus frequency. Next step "At an extra cost of +3500% base bet, the player is guaranteed to get a scatter on reel 1 and reel 2, plus over 20% chance of getting more scatters"? Maybe some UK players would want this.
- Tease effects on some games are annoying: as soon as 2 scatters land during the initial drop, symbols will get dropped one at a time. We know ELK does a lot of teasing to the players, but they only drop symbols once at a time for the last reel.
- Drop'em: If symbols getting dropped one at a time is not enough, there's also some weird noise waiting for you if you fail to trigger a bonus.
- Keep'em: They probably thought the tease designs in Drop'em were a huge success, so they put them into Keep'em as well.
- Le Bandit: Unpleasant noise if you get a bad bonus round, or just randomly during the gameplay.
Other provider's sound effects are not nearly as "evil" as Hacksaw.?
- The math on their newer game's base game sucks
I don't have any evidence that using extra bets for higher bonus freq will have a negative impact on base game performance. At this moment I got at least 8 base game 100x on Le Bandit, one being 500x+ and others are 100-200x. The frequency of getting base game 100x is almost 1 in 20k spins as I played 150,000 spins. Usually, winning 100x happens around 1 in 1000 spins. This means 95% of 100x+ wins are from bonuses. Yeah, literally ELK's base games are more playable than Hacksaw's, at least they deliver base game 100x at a higher frequency. Combining this with the expensive extra bet, yeah you got a nice combo to increase your income from base game players. Makes sense.
At first, they were offering exclusive merch for people who hit a max win on their games. Here's what I found earlier this year.
Now they changed it: The minimum eligible base bet is €0.25 or equivalent, filtering out a huge number of 0.1 and 0.2 players from getting them. And that's not enough, they're selling it, for 599 euros each! I'd rather have some Idiot Spin with that money.
One or two of these details can be classified as coincidence.
But so many of those details? Then it means something different.
TLDR: Bad base game, expensive extra bet, and sometimes annoying sound effects... if that's what you want, feel free to play those newer Hacksaw games. Otherwise, there's many better providers out there.
All provider showing their improvement?
Fists of Bankroll Destruction
How to win? (Assuming you already triggered or bought a bonus)
First you need some setup (getting 3 points on any color) to get an epic drop, which most of those 4S bonus can't achieve. Then you need to pray it's a good drop.
If any of those steps fail, you lose. And you get a bonus that's not fun.
This is not the only hacksaw game that delievers some 0% fun bonus rounds frequently.
Time Spinners: 3-4 clocks at the wrong position = entire bonus is screwed.
Stormforged (Warriors of the Storm): 0-1 wild reels = bad end.
Le Bandit: A crappy rainbow at the beginning, the no more cluster wins or valid rainbows for the rest of the bonus = 0% fun for sure
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I also bought 100+ 4S bonus across demo and real money, I can't get a single Epic Drop that Guarantees 5 fists. Very well secured.
Also, today, in less than half an hour. 40+ 4S bought. Total losses in those 4 screenshots (10 buy / page) is already 3500x. Insane.
(I don't understand Japanese, just randomly playing with different languages on bc.game)
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Hacksaw is becoming another ELK: Their advantages are no longer enough to make up for their shortcomings.
Both have great visual. ELK is better at sounds and big wins visuals.
Both aren't good at delivering decent player experience. Hacksaw is boring base game and randomly 0% fun bonus rounds, ELK is scripted rounds that contains tease after tease but rarely delivers.
ELK have cooler concepts, but harder to win big from it.
Hacksaw does pays, but it's always some more or less similar features: "This is a Wild. If that also happens, then it expands up or down, or maybe becomes a wild reel. If you also get that, then a multiplier ranging from 2 to 100-500 will be given".?
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I am just looking at the prices of hookies ?? and wtf? 5 for a hoodie? Euros? :O?
I think someone is thinking it's Rolex, or Rolls Royce... what actually can cost there 599 in value? Material is 100% cotton and one of the best brands in the world are within 85 - 230 Euros. (Excluding damn Luis Vuitton etc $hit) ???
I feel you bro. Also i support your honesty and openness in various post. I also feel this 3x bet cost is way too far. Especially considering providers say they are for Responsible gambling. Cuz this is straight out the opposite to that, as the focus is on the player burning money quicker. And to be honest, You basically are forced to use the extra bet option in order to achieve anything, to get a bonus. And sometimes, all of a sudden, you cant get any bonus in trillion spins. Can just imagine how it be with extra bet off. Again, about the hypocrazy: ”play for entertainment”, sure, but their focus is on ”taking the money even faster, sorts like ”take the money and run”, we give you a win when you come back with more money. I know some of u out there think Relax is all that (cuz the money train 4 hype), but i feel Hacksaw is doing the exact same thing as Relax, in a more lethal way. They Want to Secure some form of money before giving You a win. So for us, some of us, i figure you and me Lothar at least, providers such as Hacksaw and Relax, take advantage of us, since they are holding our losses, til we put in more, before giving us a win. And ofc a lesser win than we deserve. I know this chip in, get payback theory dont work so great and i know many have thoughts or things t? write about it, i couldnt care less. Because i have 13 max wins (4 no limit, 4 push gaming, 3 pragmatic, 1 hacksaw, 1 Yggdrasil ) and i can without no hesitation say, I wouldn’t get that many unless I would have fueled these slots with money.?
I feel hacksaw can at times be great, especially the older hacksaw, before the extra bets. Even though I am a big fan of dork unit, it was also the period where hacksaw started this 3x bet for a 5x better chance. Played that slot so insanely much and guess what, never had the dork unit bonus (not the gift bonus) one single time with this feature on. Now that’s not ok! I am a big fan of wanted dead or wild, and that’s where my max win is, actually had 5vs twice, but “only” one of them is a win.?
i feel there is something that isn’t right with these new features and I also feel that providers care less about what’s right or wrong these days, they get away with all sorts of things. I trust Legacy of Dead (play n go) and Gonzos Quest (netent) a lot more than these new ideas and extra bets, increased chance of and the full hype of marketing max wins. I for example think that money train 4, at least for me, is one of the bigger bluffs this year. I find it extremely careless and scripted. To win big from natural bonus buy is extremely rare, even if i buy 1000s of bonuses and then it pays superlow way too often on the expensive buy. Sure, some Will write, ””its mt4 dude, its super volatile”. Thats exactly what Relax Want You to think. And thats exactly what hacksaw is doing also. They are still riding on the wanted hype. So basically 1) Market the hell out of the Slot 2) have streamers focus on you as provider 3) hype the big wins/max wins (that are extremely hard for us to get without free casino bank roll or 400% deposit bonus). 4) lift the maxwin limit even more, so the gap between per say 400x and 150000x is even larger and more frequent. 5) And then sell it for 500x and just cuz the volatility mask (as i call it, hiding behind the volatility mask), you have to accept a few 0-50x wins from that buy.?
The problem i have with this, is that these ”few 0-50x wins” are becoming way more frequent than a few. So its a form of brainwash. They Want us to buy into this, if you gonna win big you have to risk
However. I honestly think buying a bonus on big Bamboo or Razor returns feel so much more fair than money train 4. I have had a lot more wins over 1000x on These than mt4. I have had a lot more wins over 3000x also. I have had a lot more wins over 10000x than mt4.?
In fact, i have bought mt4 best bonus 10 times more than These two Push Gaming slots and i have won 10 times more on those than mt4.?
just making this comparison as i feel hacksaw is doing the same, they are securing their money and when they got a grip of u as a frequent loyal customer, they take advantage of you.
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The thing besides the 300% cost bet that annoys me most is PoIntless Retriggers. I dont see any good in making that many retriggers that leads to nothing, just more deadspins. Thank god at least pragmatics retriggers nowadays mean a lot more. I e sugar rush etc.?
And Best of bonus, what for? That basically means that we have to go thru that many bad bonuses in order to get one good, for the cost of 3x more?! Makes absolutely no sence.?
So i agree with you, there is some form of sarcasm in this that can be experienced as evil.
i think there should be rules by MGA or some mechanic authority for These form of things, especially if gamble responsible is promoted.
Same goes for co-lab with streamers from providers (for example Casinogrounds and Relax , casinodaddy/relax (again).?
The Main question is: how can we ever trust that things are right and fair, ”if providers climb over dead Bodies at any cost, to race for biggest marketing hype, taking the money in the fastest possibly way?!”
Thats why i say again (and i dont mean jammandet jars 2 lol), that PusH Gaming is the most honest volatile provider out there. You just gotta play em and you will see. Old school No Limit is also good, if not the best, if u can afford it ofc. Hacksaw was on good way. Both of them got into money business deals (stake and evolution) and the heart and focus for the player gpt flimsy. Relax wanted to be involved everywhere seemed like, a form
Of control. ?Ofc expertize Field also but after playing Relax as much as i have, nah, they are quite shady sometimes dead.?
Again, push gaming has the focus on the player, its their motto. No limit i have today mixed feelings about. i think hacksaw can be extremely evil and misleading indeed. They taken shit too far, its a hybris.?
hope my answer wasnt too much info. Its just how i look at it.?
truly hope they just dont kill the fun cuz its going in that direction if Only Rich folks or streamers can get big wins.?
all These company merges and the damn media hype is a huge problems. And the wrong folks at the wrong position ofc. Dont kill the charm, at least not too fast?
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Hackshaw itself is good. But i feel i cannot win these days even
But these new providers piggy backing of their platform are shite tbh. I can mention two
Backseat gaming and Bulletshark Games.
These games are the fcking worse
Junkyard Kingz and Shadow Strike
Honestly i bought 5 expensive bonus on each slot and i cannot even once get back my bonus buy, it was always less than what I paid.
So hackshaw is still okay but defintely harder to win, but these providers powered by Hackshaw is the problem.
In what way are you able to affevt the slots from the platform? I am an old dinosauros pd, so i need to understand These things…
That exclusive club hoodies is really good i mean i liked it. The other providers dont have a things like that. For example pragmatic. Pragmatic is? huge like hacksaw to but they didnt make anything for maxwins.
But there is a thing to. When i depo, i got fucked every time on just hacksaw.. So that hoodie and maxwin just imagine for me?
Hacksaw in general is not the most ethical company. They help support the "fake" money gambling streamers by not charging for the spins they do on stream. When you and I gamble they take small percentage of the bet. When guys are spinning thousand euro/dollar bets that would result in an insane fee, not doable for the casino. So they dont charge that, thus helping the fake money gamblers to continue.
so good see this